Real life vs. camshows

I 100% agree. This type of apartment has nothing to do with voyeurism, no matter how you bend and stretch the definition. It’s a pornshoot. Period. It used to be several apartments like this before too, long before Oliver. So no one can really blame the tenants. @footpredator is not the only one. GMT-5 are maybe the worst of them all. It’s the managers who recruit tenants that will only ever offer a camshow life like that, and it is VHTV who clearly allows them to stay on.

Also. I don’t really have anything against all the camshow places, in principal. I don’t care about them at all, but diversity can be good, if there was something for all. The problem is, as @anon11413635 points out, the camshow places are in direct competition with the real life places. In addition to this, it is extremely unfair that the real life places take much higher risks too, with big fines and long offline times, just because they bring in guests, have a party and actually do exciting real life things. This is a problem I wish @VHTV_James and @VHTV_CEO would aknowledge.

So to sum it up, I don’t really have anything against the pornshoot places, but where are the exciting real life places? To please those of us who joined for that? They’re all gone, and it seems like none of the managers are opening new places like this anymore. Maybe they have run dry of interesting people to recruit, or maybe they’re just playing it safe, I don’t know. But please address this in your next meeting. How to get some real life back. I would personally love a new place with party people.

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This is a business and the people who are part of this know this and making money is a thing. Now some people when they aren’t doing something or just reading a book or chilling they then flash their pussy towards a cam. Now people are calling these camshows. If the woman wasn’t doing that we wouldn’t be watching anything interesting. In a way the woman is just doing it to get her viewers up slightly and giving them something to look at. Is this really stealing viewers or cheating?

None of this is real life they know they are being watched and they want more people watching. The main issue that these so called other people aren’t liking this and how its set up is simple they haven’t got the creativity to do something different. I have seen cams where people just sit around doing nothing. You cant do nothing and complain its unfair. Some do nothing cause they don’t need too or are comfortable doing that.

We all have the choice to watch what we like and ignore stuff we don’t like. People will complain about cams not being real life authentic and then complain other cams are boring. Then not complain about a house where people do nothing but fuck. Real life is boring and this is a entertainment site we are here to be entertained and sometimes you have to do stuff you might not usually do but nothing wrong with that. I’m here for a wank not a detailed debate on a forum about a porn site not being real. Its not a real voyeur site. Its like telling people santa isn’t real.

As I said, diversity is good. Personally, I watch the apartment(s) I like, and I don’t go and complain about the places I don’t watch. The problem is just the type of apartments I like keeps getting fewer and fewer, and no one are opening new places like this anymore.

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I heard that VH fines tenants for stupid s__te and one complaint takes them offline for too long. It looks like the managers are just trying to play it safe, but anna and alex are working hard on getting the new place open soon

:crossed_fingers:t3: Fingers and toes crossed that the new place will be a great one, and that it will open soon. Anna and Alex have had some of the greatest places ever. In the past. But it can seem like even they are trying to play it safe these days. All the wild places more or less gone now, and the ones that are left have drastically calmed down.

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Like I mentioned before, yes we can ignore it blabla, problem is when we start accepting and not speaking up on these s__t places we will get more of them… The complaining is to raise the bar / keep a higher standard on the site. The money that goes to funding places like Oliver and the script-apartments could’ve gone to something much better even if it means fewer apartments. As long as the quality is higher.

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Exactly and this in a nutshell is all I’ve tried to do this whole time. Holding vhtv’s feet to the fire to save them from themselves. Be a better voyeur site vhtv. Enough with the gimmicks and cam workers. Be the best voyeur site and create a fair playing field for all.

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We have reworked the order of things done for v_______ns cases.

Now v_______ns are reviewed by support and cropped from the timeline in minutes, if we agree that there is a possibility of rules v_______n. So apartment goes back online quickly if place is ready, and viewers can enjoy the stream without being interrupted for hours.

Hope this brings some positive changes :wink:

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Just don’t take a place down because of one complaint unless it’s gratuitous violence or something like that. If it turns out to be disturbing but not illegal, leave it be.

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There is no real life in VHTV and it has never really been there, with maybe only very few exceptions. Does anyone really think, that the parties from Isa, Bart, Melissa, Sergio and all the others have not been planed to end like they ended? I could even go back to earlier tenants. There have always been things planed and it never was true real life.

Also, i don’t think, that a porn shooting or a camshow is extremely unfair to other tenants (even if i can understand why one might think it is) That’s maybe more real life than some members here want to accept it is. I am sure, that other apartments would be watched if something interesting would happen. But, at the moment most apartments are rather boring and people do nothing at all.

I think, one of the big problem with the current tenants is, that they do not have a true, intersting life. It is probably complicated to have “normal” friends when you live like that and most of them don’t seem to have a job or even a hobby. So, what the hell should they do all day long? If you have nothing to do you will probably not do anything and end up sitting around sooner or later. Especially if that still pays out for you. Their job is being watched and they are paid by the numbers of views. So, they should theoretically be “f___ed” to do something, which would be a planed or scripted event and here we are again.

Good! Maybe it can improve things, it will be interesting to see. :crossed_fingers:t3:

Let us just hope that it wasn’t too late. Because as it is now, all the places where this could have been very helpful are already gone. And the managers have adapted, they don’t recruit unpredictable people anymore.

There is no one who doesn’t know about the cameras on VHTV, that is true, but to say that there is no real life on VHTV, that is simply not true. Even the most calculated camshow places have moments where the tenants don’t think about it and act unconciously. You can maybe claim that all parties are planned, to some extent. Yes, you invite some people, maybe set some bounderies. But there are definitely different levels of planning.

Even you must see that there is a difference between this:

And this:

Yes, you are right! There are huge differences and i often actually prefer the first one of your pictures, even if nothing crazy happens at the end. And of course there are also moments where they forget about the cameras. But most of the parties in the past and now have been planed events, that’s probably sasfe to say. I am not complaining about that, btw. Maybe i was not precise enough and generalized a bit too much, but i actually wanted to say, that most of the moments people miss here have been planed events for getting attention and views and making money. Of course, plans might not work or the whole situation gets an own dynamic. And maybe even some of those parties have been spontaneous and not planed, but that’s probably rather the exception than the rule. At least to me, that’s not a massive difference between caming or doing a shooting, which is for some probably more part of their real life than trying organizing an orgy at the end of a party.

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i do hope apartments like Olivers do not start proliferating , just to have a site that we are paying for to be only viable say once a week for an hour or so is all wrong. So that to my mind is the best reason for taking it off. i can happily ignore but is i say would hate more of them. Cams no i don’t really like them , any more than i like the participants living on their phones, but both are a gimmee in this modern world. We have to live with them

First one was a birthday party for Scott (strange when they sang happy birthday his name was not Scott :rofl: ) so not lickly to turn into a mini orgy , The second pic was a pretend orgy .

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I prefer the first picture too, even if nothing at all happens at the end. A couple having sex at the end would be a nice bonus, but it’s not necessary, I watch for the social interactions, and the real life vibes. You make it sound like everyone love when a party ends in an orgy. I don’t, and I never have. I go elsewhere when people strip down to their underwear and start the ‘games’. I might return when the show is over, and people are getting ready to go to bed. That’s when the real life might or might not happen.

I am probably rather like you and i do not need an orgy or whatever at the end of a party. I am sure, the majority of subscribers would like to see a different content. That’s at least my impression from reading the forum.

Interestingly, those who complain about the camshows and shootings are often the same that complain about boring parties where nothing interesting (whatever that may be) happened. I just cannot see a huge difference between a preplaned party and a planed shooting or a camshow. That’s all. Planed events have been there from the early days and this probably won’t change.

Yes, the majority on here just seem to criticise everything. They have zero patience, and the can’t tolerate anything that’s not like they wanted.

camshow is more more exciting .but real life is more hidden

It doesn’t seem like anything has changed at all? Dylan & Kylara was still offline for 9 hours last night. Even if there was a rules v_______n, what justifies keeping it offline for so long? They were having a great party at the time, and not only did we miss the remaining of the party, but we also missed half of the next day. When it came back online, the guest had already taken a shower, for example.
Why don’t you just cut out the supposedly unwanted behaviour, put them online again, and give them a fine afterwards? The way you are doing it now, you are actually punishing us more than you are punishing them!