Discussion about Russian invasion of Ukraine

yes. the loss of Russian influence since then is definitely not a reason for Putin to be happy… and has massively disrupted the dreams of a new Greater Russia. and we are now seeing the result of this

So would you prefer a Russian leader like Gorbachev who is willing to give up Russian controlled territories to keep the peace ?

I am a freedom/peace-loving person. I would like to see a Russia in which people can live as they want. And not a warmongering elite at the top that throws people away like dirt. You don’t need a Gorbachev or a splitting of the country for that.
As far as I’m concerned, Russia can, under these conditions, become as big as it was during the Soviet Union… if all the former Soviet states were to join together to form an VOLUNTARY alliance similar to the EU, for example.

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It has already happened lol

For that you have to know how to seduce, not impose…and they are not intelligent enough to achieve that.

With the current government, this is by no means feasible, that’s clear… and even with the successors it will be difficult as long as they come from the current structure.

but one can always dream…

Be careful with the successors, they may be even worse.

Germany is a good example of how a system change can succeed. F___ed, but still relatively peaceful.
But at the same time, it is also a bad example, because although the wall between the countries is gone, the wall in people’s minds is still there and will remain for a long time. As an East German, I unfortunately have to say that a lot of opportunities to improve things have been missed over the last 30 years… the EU election last weekend clearly showed that again. Changes take time, and the right people and the right decisions. And every little mistake can destroy everything that has been achieved so far

And in Russia, there is currently no sign of a change for the better. The 30 years that Germany has had so far have not even begun there yet…

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I have talked to an old eastern german guy and he misses the good old days of DDR. He said he feels stateless since the country he belonged to disappeared

I was 18 at the time and grew up in a relatively sheltered environment. I was too young to understand the disadvantages of the system, but old enough to understand the differences to the new system. And yes, anyone who knew the advantages of the old system better than I did (which of course also existed) has a greater reason to miss it… if you weren’t a victim of the disadvantages. The new system is… colder (from a human perspective). While socialism (at least apparently) looked after people and unfortunately ruined the economy in the process, in the Federal Republic of Germany, as everywhere in capitalism, the economy is clearly in the foreground… and humanity often falls by the wayside.

These differences were not sufficiently taken into account when the two German states were united, and are (even if indirectly) still a significant cause of problems today.

This definitely only looks at a fraction of the events/causes/effects and is also only based on MY impressions. and luckily I can consider myself and my family lucky for the time being, we have coped with this change fairly well, or in my case, with luck even he has

But that is a purely German special problem. Countries that have transformed as a whole have coped better with it. There was no two-system border in the country. we Germans still have the border, you just can’t see it in the landscape anymore

but back to the topic and to Russia
the same applies to all countries: the change has to come at the top. whether peacefully or by f___e… without a new government and without new guidelines from above, which everyone will go along with, no change will happen. the change to Gorbachev was one of these decisive changes, for better and for worse (depending on which side of history you look at it from). the coup against him years later, and the government of Yeltsin, and later/now Putin, are an example of how things can go when the old structures do not want to allow any changes. the consequences are unmistakable today, unfortunately

Ukraine had managed the change. At least partially. The ousting/overthrow of Yanukovych was a signal from the people… or at least from a large part of the people. If it weren’t for domestic f___es with foreign support who want to reverse this change…

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Today, Ukraine’s main children healthcare facility was directly attacked by Russian missiles. I personally know a child who’s currently being there, they can’t go out.

I can not post photos with the children here. But you can find many photos of wounded children, kids sitting with chemo drips on the street and so on on the web…

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Shit, sending all the best of wishes there.

NATO, send more air defense ASAP

Kaya, stay strong. Big hug for you :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Monsters Inc Hug GIF

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I saw this

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The German Health Minister Professor Karl Lauterbach has posted on social media that he has promised Ukraine’s Health Minister Viktor Lyashko that Germany will take in sick children in need at any time and that the next rescue flight will take off tomorrow.

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If that automatically means that their families can come with them, I know of two absolutely idiotic german parties that will blame the government again… one because it is stupid, the other because it is ‘good’ for the election campaign to defame the competitors for things that they should/would do themselves as a government, out of humanity alone…

US and Germany foiled Russian plot to assassinate CEO of arms manufacturer sending weapons to Ukraine

US intelligence discovered earlier this year that the Russian government planned to assassinate the chief executive of a powerful German arms manufacturer that has been producing artillery shells and military vehicles for Ukraine, according to five US and western officials familiar with the episode.

The plot was one of a series of Russian plans to assassinate defense industry executives across Europe who were supporting Ukraine’s war effort, these sources said. The plan to kill Armin Papperger, who has led the German manufacturing charge in support of Kyiv, was the most mature.

Full CNN article is here: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/us-germany-foiled-russian-assassination-plot/index.html

:clock9: 7 minute read
Updated 11:39 PM EDT, Thu July 11, 2024

My anger is directed at Pootin only. Not your post crossmyway.

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Don’t worry, I basically don’t take smiley reactions personally. :wink:

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